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PostSubject: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:51 am

Here is a rather interesting scenario. If today's election at SBFII were to be held next year, it would not be allowed!! The results would be deemed illegal! Why do I say such a preposterous thing? Simple. Today's election was held under the rule that whoever voted constituted a quorum, therefore the results are legal. Next year they operate under a new bylaw which the membership voted in as law, today.

The new law states that the voting membership meeting next year must have a quorum of 55%. Now, if you use the voting numbers from today, 153 voted out of 285 eligible members, they were 4 members short of the 55% quorum needed! Therefore, if this same vote occurs in the future, it would HAVE to be declared as NO VOTE!

Imagine a future where the 55% is NEVER attained. Does that not mean an eternal board? Impossible, you say? Well, it DID happen today---NO 55%!!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:20 am

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Here is a rather interesting scenario. If today's election at SBFII were to be held next year, it would not be allowed!! The results would be deemed illegal! Why do I say such a preposterous thing? Simple. Today's election was held under the rule that whoever voted constituted a quorum, therefore the results are legal. Next year they operate under a new bylaw which the membership voted in as law, today.

The new law states that the voting membership meeting next year must have a quorum of 55%. Now, if you use the voting numbers from today, 153 voted out of 285 eligible members, they were 4 members short of the 55% quorum needed! Therefore, if this same vote occurs in the future, it would HAVE to be declared as NO VOTE!

Imagine a future where the 55% is NEVER attained. Does that not mean an eternal board? Impossible, you say? Well, it DID happen today---NO 55%!!
But by next year there will only be ten of 'em, so all they'll need for a quorum is six. I bet they can make that work.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:33 am

Diabolically clever!! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted2
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:35 am

SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:52 am

They are phantom members . ROFL ROFL ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:15 am

It is all so preposterously funny - ROFL ROFL ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:27 am

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It is all so preposterously funny - ROFL ROFL ROFL
At least now we seem to know that the criterium for "active membership" is having been on line within a certain period, not so much having posted...
Suspect Suspect
You are so right Jani, it would be funny if it were no so sad... laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:05 am

fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

We can only hope that Susan's team and the people in charge of her career at SONY finally get a clue as to how minuscule that forum's membership actually is. Once they realize that it boils down to a hundred or fewer hardcore members, that should end the exaggerated influence of SBFII and its leaders. An artist who sold over 14 million albums should not be wasting her time catering to the whims of such a small group of fanatics. Enough is enough!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:20 pm

[quote="xeno"]
fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting?

C'mon fudgie, can't ya do the math??!?!! To paraphrase Forest Gump - "Active is as active does . . . . ." Finally we get some idea as to what they really consider 'active' to be - I think this is hilarious!!!!

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We can only hope that Susan's team and the people in charge of her career at SONY finally get a clue as to how minuscule that forum's membership actually is. Once they realize that it boils down to a hundred or fewer hardcore members, that should end the exaggerated influence of SBFII and its leaders. An artist who sold over 14 million albums should not be wasting her time catering to the whims of such a small group of fanatics. Enough is enough!

Totally. They and their antics have become tiresome. Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:53 pm

xeno wrote:
fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

We can only hope that Susan's team and the people in charge of her career at SONY finally get a clue as to how minuscule that forum's membership actually is. Once they realize that it boils down to a hundred or fewer hardcore members, that should end the exaggerated influence of SBFII and its leaders. An artist who sold over 14 million albums should not be wasting her time catering to the whims of such a small group of fanatics. Enough is enough!
Xeno, "enough is enough"!! That was Tink's thread when she wanted to get rid of "contentious" members (like you!!!!)! laughcry laughfloor laughcry laughfloor laughcry laughfloor laughcry laughfloor laughcry laughfloor BTW--maybe Susan caters to their whims because she likes being called lirpa loof?? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes No No No No No
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:24 pm

Maybe Susan caters to their whims because she doesn't have a heckuva lot going on on a daily basis; no touring, TV appearances, etc. - so when someone with Sony connections calls, Joanne (or somebody) says, "Wanna have some folks in for a bit a week from Tuesday?" and she says, "Sure! Why not?" My guess is that if she were busier she wouldn't have the time for that sort of thing.

I really can't believe that she entertains fans in her home. I wouldn't think that would be a common thing for a performer to do.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:02 pm

fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

Pardon me but.... I just cain't hep it....

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:29 pm

fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
I know how: Take 50,000 and subtract 49,945. That leaves 55. This method should work with any numbers bandied about at EW. Just subtract 49,945 to arrive at a figure resembling reality.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:02 pm

Now, Sky, why didn't I think of that?!!!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:18 pm

skywriter wrote:
fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
I know how: Take 50,000 and subtract 49,945. That leaves 55. This method should work with any numbers bandied about at EW. Just subtract 49,945 to arrive at a figure resembling reality.
You are right. I forgot to subtract the 49,945 "contentious" members that were banned, left, or put on pre-mod! laughfloor laughcry laughfloor laughcry laughfloor laughcry laughcry laughfloor laughcry
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:38 am

xeno wrote:
fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

We can only hope that Susan's team and the people in charge of her career at SONY finally get a clue as to how minuscule that forum's membership actually is. Once they realize that it boils down to a hundred or fewer hardcore members, that should end the exaggerated influence of SBFII and its leaders. An artist who sold over 14 million albums should not be wasting her time catering to the whims of such a small group of fanatics. Enough is enough!

I think they know, but do they care?
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:35 am

Bumping this up. Remember the 55% rule everyone at SBFII.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:22 am

fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
Fudge, where did you get that number for active members? I missed it. Want to post a new stats graph...
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:28 am

tonnie_rocca wrote:
fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
Fudge, where did you get that number for active members? I missed it. Want to post a new stats graph...
Those were the numbers from one year ago.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:00 am

fudgemeister wrote:
tonnie_rocca wrote:
fudgemeister wrote:
SBFII NUMBERS
FAN SITE COMMUNITY OF OVER 50,000
MEMBERS-5336
ACTIVE MEMBERS-882
ELIGIBLE VOTERS-285
ACTUAL VOTERS-153
ONLINE MEETING-65
MODS, BOARD MEMBERS, ADMIN. ONLINE-APPROX 10
ONLINE MEMBERS- APPROX 55


Can someone please tell me how 50,000+ becomes 55 online for the meeting? laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry
Fudge, where did you get that number for active members? I missed it. Want to post a new stats graph...
Those were the numbers from one year ago.
O excuse me, then I'll make a graph with what I have, though they'll keep me on premod for that... Suspect

Based on the last real data available, AM should now be around 525, so 55% of that is 288 voters required, let's see what happens... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:36 pm

Hey SBFII--shouldn't you give the eligible voting membership number BEFORE the meeting???? Otherwise, shenanigans can be pulled off. Remember--figures can lie and liars can figure!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:54 pm

That should be another bylaw. The eligible voting membership number MUST be given out BEFORE the meeting! Any reason why not, Judy?
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:27 pm

SBFII--WHY ARE YOU NOT GIVING THE ELIGIBILITY NUMBER???????
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:38 pm

JohnV--the bylaw passed states 55% of eligible voters determine a quorum!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:18 pm

Where is transparency SBFII. You KNOW the eligibility number AS OF TODAY. If you do not post it, there will always be a belief that numbers were made up to prove you reached a 55% quorum. ISSUE THE ELIGIBILITY NUMBER NOW!!!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:16 am

SBFII- No quorum. They got 50%. But the bombshell is that eligible voters DROPPED from 285 to 224, a 21% nosedive. This in a year when Susan had her 3rd CD, a musical about her life, an appearance for the Queen, and a triumphant return to BGT.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:26 am

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SBFII- No quorum. They got 50%. But the bombshell is that eligible voters DROPPED from 285 to 224, a 21% nosedive. This in a year when Susan had her 3rd CD, a musical about her life, an appearance for the Queen, and a triumphant return to BGT.

224 eligible voters?! Laughing Where are the other alleged 50,000 members then? Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:54 am

But Ponylady keeps asserting that membership is growing there. Well, yeah!!! That is what happens when you NEVER remove inactive members off the rolls. The eligible voters number is the one true test of forum participation. It counts real posters over the year. So, sorry, Ponylady, 21% have taken a pony ride out of town.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:00 am

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SBFII- No quorum. They got 50%. But the bombshell is that eligible voters DROPPED from 285 to 224, a 21% nosedive. This in a year when Susan had her 3rd CD, a musical about her life, an appearance for the Queen, and a triumphant return to BGT.

224 eligible voters?! Laughing Where are the other alleged 50,000 members then? Rolling Eyes
That fable should not be believable any more for even the slowest.
In a way I'm sorry for them, but they ruined that forum with their own hands, a long story...

New updated reliable stats herewith. Rolling Eyes



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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:18 am

21%! This is what happens when you:
Limit free exchange of ideas.
Ban people indiscriminately.
Arbitrarily change rules.
Allow a permeation, in many threads, of the viewpoints of one religion.
Do not apply rules equally.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:48 pm

One thing that was proven yesterday with the questions is that the Administration runs the Board, not the other way around. That is why the election AND the Board is an utter joke!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:59 pm

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One thing that was proven yesterday with the questions is that the Administration runs the Board, not the other way around. That is why the election AND the Board is an utter joke!
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:38 am

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fudgemeister wrote:
One thing that was proven yesterday with the questions is that the Administration runs the Board, not the other way around. That is why the election AND the Board is an utter joke!
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That whole freakin' place is a joke! Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes But no one's laughing.
Well, cheaters never win and winners never loose, they cannot just create new rules for a vote that was less than their 55% for a quorum.
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PostSubject: Re: If Today Happens Next Year   Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:48 pm

Congrats to the new Board at SBFII. This will be all you need for when the Admin. comes to you.
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