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PostSubject: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:32 am

Since I am relegated to only being allowed to enter SBFII as a guest, I can only access the public threads there. While doing so, I came upon an interesting chain of events in the Samples of Standing Ovation thread. While there, I noticed that one member had posted AN ACTUAL youtube video of the longer 90 second samples of Standing Ovation. At the same time, I noticed in another post that a long standing beloved member had posted that he had the longer samples too, but was waiting for permission to post them (I assume the permission he was waiting for was to come from SBFII Admin). Absolutely and positively there is no doubt that the youtube was up.

Later I went back, and amazingly I noticed that everything had changed. The youtube video was no longer up, but a link was up to the beloved longtime member's site for the video. If you read subsequent posts there are a number of members expressing thanks to both contributors. How could that happen, if there is no youtube video posted there now? What on earth would those members be thanking him for? In fact, there is no reference to that youtube video till a post many pages later! And, if there is no youtube video now, why is that? Why the need to get rid of it? Could it be favoritism?

You see this is what happens when all you are constantly doing is censoring here there and everywhere. You forget that there are posts that you do miss to erase. Trips you up.....every time! Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:49 am

My advice--if you are going to check if what I am saying is true, you better get to the thread quickly. As we all know, there are mods all over the place there. Things could change quickly. ROFL lol! ROFL lol! ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:21 am

Not to put too fine a point on it, but both of those "videos" are violations of copyright. These two fans are stealing material directly from Apple's iTunes. They are then attempting to share it publicly in other sources that are not related to Apple or iTunes at all. This is piracy. Would you visit a "torrent" site and download Susan's albums for free? Well, this isn't all that different, except that in this case the music is already available for listening absolutely free anyway, through iTunes.

It is free for listening, but that doesn't mean it isn't copyrighted and licensed. It is. Everyone has a piece of the copyright pie here. For instance, on the iTunes UK store, it is clearly stated that the songs/tracks themselves are licensed to Sony Music Entertainment UK Unlimited from Simco....and subsequently the song tracks are licensed to iTunes to put in its software on its stores in many countries. In the US, whenever the material finally shows up it will be listed as licensed to Columbia Music, which is related to Sony. In each country it serves, iTunes offers song samples ranging from 30 seconds to 90 seconds (the latter is a fairly new implementation). This is one thing which sets it apart from B&N, Amazon and others. As a customer considering whether or not to buy a particular album, I love this feature. I would hate to see it ruined and removed because of thieves.

Apple is not going to like the fact that not one but two different people stole material directly from their iTunes software and then put it on YouTube and Magnify.net respectively. I won't be surprised if those thefts are discovered and removed in pretty short order. Personally, I wouldn't want to mess with Apple's lawyers. They don't fool around.....

In the meantime, if anyone wants to enjoy the 90-second previews of each of the songs Susan sings on her new album, just go into iTunes and have a listen. It's not that hard to shift into another country for this purpose (you wouldn't be able to purchase, but you can at least listen to the tracks). If you don't have iTunes in your computer, if you're on a Windows machine (it comes bundled with all Macs), you can easily download and install it from http://www.apple.com

Don't support dishonesty, piracy and theft on the internet. Take a few moments to listen to the music where it is legitimately licensed to be played, on iTunes itself....



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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:24 am

I am now convinced......you moderators at SBFII truly deserve full time pay. It is obviously a lot of work! I mean it. I am not joking. LOLflag LOLflag LOLflag LOLflag LOLflag
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:34 am

Why, what did they do, remove BOTH examples of theft? Good for them if they did. After all, it really wouldn't look good for the so-called "largest" Susan Boyle forum to be actively promoting and sharing ANY examples of internet piracy from iTunes.....
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:42 am

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Why, what did they do, remove BOTH examples of theft? Good for them if they did. After all, it really wouldn't look good for the so-called "largest" Susan Boyle forum to be actively promoting and sharing ANY examples of internet piracy from iTunes.....
No. Both links are still in the thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:58 am

Well, isn't that interesting.....they are condoning theft and dishonesty as long as it suits them and provides their members with what they want..... Heaven forfend that any Windows user should have to make an effort to download and install iTunes and then try to figure out how to get to the UK or the Denmark iTunes stores in order to listen to the song samples legitimately...... Oh, no, that is way too much trouble.....

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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:45 pm

Believe it or not, threads and posts that are OVER 3 YEARS OLD ARE STILL BEING DELETED AND EDITED at SBFII by mods!!! Mods should definitely be getting paid with all the work they do!!! ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:46 pm

But ,----what would be the point in,------------------------------------------------??

--------Oh, ---never mind. I was about to ask a silly question pertaining to actions over at EW making some sort of sense. As we all know,------that isn't really necessary. "Ours not to question why,"---and all that.------ silent silent Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:16 am

I always thought ours was to question why. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:22 am

bernicer wrote:
I always thought ours was to question why. Laughing
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You're right,----as long as we do it here and not over there! silent silent
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:25 pm

Surprise!! TPTB at SBFII have decided to close the thread about the Connecticut massacre. Do they not understand that life is not the rosy picture that they always want to maintain in that place? This massacre is a watershed moment in the USA. It is getting 24 hour a day coverage. People on a forum feel they are among friends and FEEL A NEED to discuss it. They keep bringing up that it is an international forum. Well, adults have the free choice NOT to read that thread or go into it! Why is it OK there to have a number of threads dealing WITH ONE RELIGIOUS VIEWPOINT?? And other threads are slowly being taken over by that one religious viewpoint?

Has anyone been noticing that the members at the site are down. They are getting 60-80 at night, 7-11 PM EST. These are terrible numbers for them. Think there might be a connection to my paragraph above? I do.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:32 pm

I usually do not post on the guest forum here. But I am compelled to say that many people are upset that thread was closed. But there are other places, such as this forum, and several other Susan forums where you can discuss.
Problem on the forum you mention, is several extreme conservatives got upset, so to pacify those few, they closed the entire thread. Pretty sad a few have that power.
I do not believe that only a few should be allowed to control everyone else. But that is why it was closed, IMHO.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:40 pm

terijay wrote:
I usually do not post on the guest forum here. But I am compelled to say that many people are upset that thread was closed. But there are other places, such as this forum, and several other Susan forums where you can discuss.
Problem on the forum you mention, is several extreme conservatives got upset, so to pacify those few, they closed the entire thread. Pretty sad a few have that power.
I do not believe that only a few should be allowed to control everyone else. But that is why it was closed, IMHO.
If they are so upset with a country being run by a commie, Muslim, Kenyan redistributor, perhaps North Korea would be more to their liking. Or is it North Koreeee?
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:37 pm

This is why I hardly post on the forum any more, it is suffocating over there. pale
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:53 pm

Now they are using a community group site to talk about the massacre. What the hell is the difference between that and a private thread????? It just gets loonier and loonier. laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:03 pm

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Now they are using a community group site to talk about the massacre. What the hell is the difference between that and a private thread????? One difference is you cannot reply to other posts Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes . Sort of negates any chance at a discussion. It just gets loonier and loonier. laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor

Discussions get out of hand, dontcha know.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:05 pm

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fudgemeister wrote:
Now they are using a community group site to talk about the massacre. What the hell is the difference between that and a private thread????? One difference is you cannot reply to other posts Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes . Sort of negates any chance at a discussion. It just gets loonier and loonier. laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor

Discussions get out of hand, dontcha know.

No. They really do not. It is a few conservatives to the right of Atilla the Hun who scream and moan, and they are catered to. I cannot imagine to guess why that is.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:14 pm

Once again, Thanks DJG. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:17 pm

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Once again, Thanks DJG. Smile
Yes, thanks to DJG. I guess some people need MusicMommy big time! laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:09 pm

A religious poem about the Conn. massacre has just been put on a public thread at SBFII!! I thought that violates a rule too. Let us not forget that at least one child was of a different religion than Christianity.


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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:20 pm

Judy--since you asked--NO, it is NOT appropriate in a public or private thread there. You have no idea how abhorrent Jews find the thought of a Jewish child going to meet his savior!!
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:34 pm

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Judy--since you asked--NO, it is NOT appropriate in a public or private thread there. You have no idea how abhorrent Jews find the thought of a Jewish child going to meet his savior!!
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I know they mean well,---but come on!! Let's have a little sensitivity to people of different faiths, here!! Not everyone is a Christian,----and certainly not all those killed in Sandy Hook were of that faith.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:28 pm

Well, the poem has been public now for over an hour and a half. Mods have been on the forum. According to everything they have said about their own rules, this is a no-brainer decision. So, what is the delay about enforcing the rule? Mods usually delete at warp speed over there!
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:00 pm

Rules are only USED against people they don't like who say things they don't like. If they like what you say you can break any rule any time!
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:10 pm

Anyone with any guts over there to flag that post?? confused confused confused confused confused
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:32 pm

It seems to me that if you truly are a "religious" person that the most important thing would be to have the utmost respect for other religions. This thread at SBFII, honorably intended as it might be, shows utter disregard to the non Christians that died. In case no one noticed, the family of Noah Posner are quite devout Jews.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:48 pm

Almost 3 hours on the public forum. Living up to my claim, and Nevermore's too, that it is all determined by WHO makes a post; not the content of the post!
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:58 pm

fudgemeister wrote:
It seems to me that if you truly are a "religious" person that the most important thing would be to have the utmost respect for other religions. This thread at SBFII, honorably intended as it might be, shows utter disregard to the non Christians that died. In case no one noticed, the family of Noah Posner are quite devout Jews.

I know Noah was Jewish but I am thinking there was another child and a staff member that were Jewish also but I can't remember the names right now.


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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:01 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:47 pm

Almost 4 hours now on a public thread there. Hey, SBFII, you KNOW I am relentless! I never give up! I will post this reminder hourly here. You know I have done it before with the name I did not like. I will not stop!
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:00 pm

There should no discrimination among all faiths.


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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:05 pm

Even if there were no Jews killed, it does not matter. They are the ones always claiming that all members MUST abide by the rules. Well, that thread is against their own rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:05 pm

5 hours in the public thread and still no adherence to their own rule! No No No No No
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PostSubject: Re: Censoring--It Does Not Come Easy   Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:14 pm

Well after 6 hours it has been moved to a private thread. Some improvement, but why not a community group thread like the politics?
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