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PostSubject: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:36 am

I just had a great idea, maybe all fans should have a flat fan made of themselves to take to M&Gs.  I'm sure any singing star would love to see us in flat form.  
I think I'll do one of me on my riding lawnmower.  Maybe we could line them up on the sidewalk in front of theaters across America. What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:08 am

Good idea, Bern. I might have one of me in the old grodies I wear around the place doing my chores.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:26 am

SbfII is getting so crazy and so unfair that I can't even give an opinion. They are despicable. I wasn't being disrespectful, just stating AN OPINION, and I was deleted.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:38 am

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SbfII is getting so crazy and so unfair that I can't even give an opinion.  They are despicable. I wasn't being disrespectful, just stating AN OPINION, and I was deleted.
Same here.  I broke no rules.  I thought we were there to support Susan.  It is now only to support certain FANS of Susan.  I do not think something that makes fun of Miss Boyle is appropriate, but you are not allowed to say that. That thing coming out of the head of the new FS looks ridiculous.  It looks like a devils horn.  That is not the feather.  It is a shadow of a branch of a tree.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:38 am

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=677280195682791&set=a.107673872643429.11968.100002024507201&type=1&theater



So word now is that this flat Susan will be at ALL fan M&Gs and they intend to invite the media IN TO the M&Gs! I do not know about anybody else, but to me this could invite derision and harmful public relations towards Susan AND her fans. First off, the outfit is not apropos for a US audience. It might even make people believe that the concert features Scottish or Celtic music. Secondly, the outfit is NOT flattering towards Susan. And thirdly, WHAT is with that thing that looks like a knife coming out of her head? I know it is supposed to be a feather, but will the media and general public know that? We all know what the media and entertainment sites are like; let alone twitter. Does SBFII really want this kind of publicity for Susan's concert series? And just imagine the portrayals of her fans in the media. Older women shlepping around this ridiculous looking thing!
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:10 pm

The more important question is:  do Andy Stephens, Nic Phillips, Andrew Panton, Kennedy Aitcheson and the concert promoters, not to mention Susan herself, want this kind of fan-propelled "promotion"? It is not exactly presenting Susan as the professional singer that she is.  Seems to me that this kind of fan behavior could do Susan and her career far more harm than good.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:13 pm

Plus that feather is awfully long. Did it come from a caudipteryx??  laughfloor laughfloor laughfloor

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/media/126798/Caudipteryx-an-early-Cretaceous-dinosaur-thought-to-be-one-of
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:13 pm

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The more important question is:  do Andy Stephens, Nic Phillips, Andrew Panton, Kennedy Aitcheson and the concert promoters, not to mention Susan herself, want this kind of publicity?  Seems to me that it could do Susan and her career far more harm than good.
I have said "Uncle" trying to point these things out.  I am not on her payroll. Susan has a staff to deal with PR matters,  and if they do not care about her image,  I cannot waste any more of my time being insulted and having my posts deleted for caring.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:18 pm

My guess is that Susan's team are unaware of the plans being made and probably have not seen the image chosen for the "Flat Susan."   That is unfortunate.   I hope that somehow  they are able to see the actual cardboard/plastic effigy thingy prior to the first concert.   It is truly up to Susan and her team, not fans, to promote the kind of professional image that they want Susan to present to the US during her first American concert series and around the world.   Somehow I don't think this is it.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:03 pm

This cardboard effigy of Susan belongs in the dipsy dumpster. This is all about a few fans and it is NOT about Susan Boyle.







 
Always wanting attention,   always wanting attention...... ALWAYS WANTING ATTENTION. ! 

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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:50 pm

Wabbit wrote:
This cardboard effigy of Susan belongs in the dipsy dumpster. This is all about a few fans and it is NOT about Susan Boyle.







 
Always wanting attention,   always wanting attention...... ALWAYS WANTING ATTENTION. ! 

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 I think you may be correct, Wabbit.  Some people apparently never lived their teenage years too well
I can understand this.   My mother did not have much of a teen years herself, growing up during WWII
But then,  we Baby Boomers did not have a lot of fun either, and i noticed it last night when I was watching that series on CNN called, "The Sixties"
it was about the Cold War crisis years.  I must have been around 12 then when there was the Cuban Missile thing and Bay of Pigs-- we had drop drills. We all thought we were going to DIE.  It was a hard time.


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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:10 pm

Susan spent many of her formative years being mocked....I think it is really sad that now people who are calling themselves "fans" are actually potentially setting her up for a situation which could result in much the same sort of situation again.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:17 pm

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Susan spent many of her formative years being mocked....I think it is really sad that now people who are calling themselves "fans" are actually potentially setting her up for a situation which could result in much the same sort of situation again.  
As I said,  We can do nothing.  We may care, but some think we do not care and are against the others.  This can not be further from the truth.  
I only want Miss B to be respected for who she has become.  She spent plenty of time for 48 years being mocked and made a butt of jokes. 
I do not think this is at all funny.  She has earned respect, especially from her supposed fans.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:48 pm

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Clix Pix wrote:
Susan spent many of her formative years being mocked....I think it is really sad that now people who are calling themselves "fans" are actually potentially setting her up for a situation which could result in much the same sort of situation again.  
As I said,  We can do nothing.  We may care, but some think we do not care and are against the others.  This can not be further from the truth.  
I only want Miss B to be respected for who she has become.  She spent plenty of time for 48 years being mocked and made a butt of jokes. 
I do not think this is at all funny.  She has earned respect, especially from her supposed fans.



It isn't about one fan club versus another one. It is all about....... RESPECT. !
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:10 pm

Wabbit wrote:
terijay wrote:
Clix Pix wrote:
Susan spent many of her formative years being mocked....I think it is really sad that now people who are calling themselves "fans" are actually potentially setting her up for a situation which could result in much the same sort of situation again.  
As I said,  We can do nothing.  We may care, but some think we do not care and are against the others.  This can not be further from the truth.  
I only want Miss B to be respected for who she has become.  She spent plenty of time for 48 years being mocked and made a butt of jokes. 
I do not think this is at all funny.  She has earned respect, especially from her supposed fans.



It isn't about one fan club versus another one. It is all about....... RESPECT. !
Respect is all i care about. Respect for Miss Boyle
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:53 pm

The late, great Molly Ivins (a Texan) on "Texas Ort!" She always told it as it was!!

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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:40 pm

Thoroughly enjoyed that piece. Yup, Texans sure redefine the meaning of fine art. I took a number of art courses and must have slept through those lectures. So Grits comes by it naturally. Also in my "let's explore all sorts of things" era I did Arthur Murray dance lessons. Missed line dancing though until it became part of disco.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:47 pm

R.E.S.P.E.C.T........Aretha wanted that, too, and by gum she sure got it in her long career!

Moving on to the current topic of Susan, fans and "Flat Susan," etc.....

Grits is quoted somewhere as saying:
"When she saw FS as I raised it over the crowd in NYC you could see her mouth saying flat Susan with a huge grin...."

Oh, yeah? Really? Funny that I don't remember seeing that on the televised broadcast of that event that day..... I am a lipreader. If Susan had said/mouthed any such thing, I would have seen that. I didn't. Or at least I don't recall doing so. At that point in time, too, if that was the appearance of the very first Flat Susan, Susan wouldn't have even known about it or what it was called in the first place, would she?

"...publicity emanating from Susan's fans having fun with FS would be well received....unconditional adoration...." Um.....doesn't this sound more than a little OTT and doesn't it sound more interested in the idea of Susan's fans having fun than concern about any impact this sort of thing might have on Susan herself and her professional career that she's been working so hard to build over the past several years?

The bottom line is, as many of us have said among ourselves and in various places, this concert tour is not about Susan's fans at all; to be blunt, it's a business endeavor entered into quite seriously by a number of people who have invested creativity, energy, time and money (and some who hope to reap the financial rewards in turn!) in bringing what everyone hopes and expects will be a wonderful product to America; truly, it's about Susan herself and what she will bring to US theatre stages and audiences. This has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with Susan's fans. Sure, the promoters and everyone on the team hopes and expects that fans will be turning out in large numbers for each concert, but fans should not be the primary focal point at all in any media reports. Fans are not responsible for PR, fans are not expected (nor probably wanted) to do any sort of formal or informal PR kinds of things. That is not their responsibility. Thing is, this isn't about fans. They shouldn't be trying to claim a place in the spotlight. It's about Susan. SUSAN, Susan Boyle. You know, the woman who will actually be up there on 21 different stages in the US singing her heart out.

Unfortunately, if what we've seen during the UK concerts is anything to go by, Susan will be lucky if a few in the US media bother to write up or do televised commentaries/ any sort of review of her concerts. I really hope that there are at least some reviews here in the US, but again the fact that the concerts are only one-night-stands at each venue kind of suggests that this won't happen. Personally, I would just as soon not see media reports about old ladies running around with a cardboard effigy of Susan and all the rest.

With all of this kind of stuff going on, Grits carrying on with her silly Flat Susan and such, there really is the danger that most serious reviewers won't give Susan or her concert the time of day especially if they are invited to a fan M&G complete with a cardboard/plastic effigy of Susan...... They'll just laugh and say, "whoa, those old ladies are just nuts!" dismiss them as OTT and probably even taint Susan with the same brush, just not bother to give her any respect, either, even if they attend the concert in their area as part of a work responsibility assigned by their editor or boss.....

Aretha wanted and deserved R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Doesn't Susan, too?
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:50 pm

I just do not understand the whole flat Susan purpose, except to draw attention to those having pictures with it. There are much better ways to show genuine support of an artist. Does anyone know any other artist that has a fan base that does such things? Susan's non-Americans fans must think we are crazy, or her American fan base all have early dementia.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:58 pm

America is full of gimmicks. They don't want gimmicks.   They want the ... REAL THING !
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:28 pm

Hmmmmm. What in the wide world of Flat Susan is THIS??---- scratch silent

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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

WTF?????!!!!! That is more than a little weird, isn't it?!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:56 pm

Sort of a take off on the "Flat Stanley" idea who was one of the first "flat folks" to travel and go on adventures.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:20 pm

Must've been where Grits got the idea in the first place...... Nothing original here, folks, just move along now....
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:57 pm

WAMcKinley wrote:
  Hmmmmm.   What in the wide world of Flat Susan is THIS??---- scratch  silent

        http://flatsusan.blogspot.com/
that has to be another one.  Hmmm
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:59 pm

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R.E.S.P.E.C.T........Aretha wanted that, too, and by gum she sure got it in her long career!  

Moving on to the current topic of Susan, fans and "Flat Susan," etc.....

Grits is quoted somewhere as saying:
"When she saw FS as I raised it over the crowd in NYC you could see her mouth saying flat Susan with a huge grin...."  

Oh, yeah?  Really?  Funny that I don't remember seeing that on the televised broadcast of that event that day.....   I am a lipreader. If Susan had said/mouthed any such thing, I would have seen that. I didn't.  Or at least I don't recall doing so.   At that point in time, too, if that was the appearance of the very first Flat Susan, Susan wouldn't have even known about it or what it was called in the first place, would she?  

"...publicity emanating from Susan's fans having fun with FS would be well received....unconditional adoration...."     Um.....doesn't this sound more than a little OTT and doesn't it sound more interested in the idea of Susan's fans having fun than concern about any impact this sort of thing might have on Susan herself and her professional career that she's been working so hard to build over the past several years?  

The bottom line is, as many of us have said among ourselves and in various places, this concert tour is not about Susan's fans at all; to be blunt,  it's a business endeavor entered into quite seriously by a number of people who have invested creativity, energy, time and money (and some who hope to reap the financial rewards in turn!)  in bringing what everyone hopes and expects will be a wonderful product to America;  truly, it's about Susan herself and what she will bring to US theatre stages and audiences.  This has absolutely  nothing to do whatsoever with Susan's fans.  Sure, the promoters and everyone on the team hopes and expects that fans will be turning out in large numbers for each concert, but fans should not be the primary focal point at all in any media reports.  Fans are not responsible for PR, fans are not expected (nor probably wanted) to do any sort of formal or informal PR kinds of things.  That is not their responsibility.  Thing is, this isn't about fans. They shouldn't be trying to claim a place in the spotlight.   It's about Susan.   SUSAN,   Susan Boyle.  You know, the woman who will actually be up there on 21 different  stages in the US  singing her heart out.  

Unfortunately, if what we've seen during the UK concerts is anything to go by,  Susan will be lucky if a few in the US media bother to write up or do televised commentaries/ any sort of review of her concerts.   I really hope that there are at least some reviews here in the US, but again the fact that the concerts are only one-night-stands at each venue kind of suggests that this won't happen.  Personally, I would just as soon not see media reports about old ladies running around with a cardboard effigy of Susan and all the rest.

With all of this kind of stuff going on, Grits carrying on with her silly Flat Susan and such, there really is the danger that most serious reviewers won't give Susan or her concert the time of day especially if they are invited to a fan M&G complete with a cardboard/plastic effigy of Susan......  They'll just laugh and say, "whoa, those old ladies are just nuts!" dismiss them as OTT and probably even taint Susan with the same brush, just not bother to give her any respect, either, even if they attend the concert in their area as part of a work responsibility  assigned by their editor or boss.....

Aretha wanted and deserved R.E.S.P.E.C.T.   Doesn't Susan, too?    
I have tried.  I can do no more. Respect is not something that some people understand.  I do not understand it myself.  But,  again, there is nothing more I can personally do.   Susan has a team to work out what is good or bad PR for her.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:48 pm

Well, after a bit of clever 'I'm not playing because nobody loves me' manipulation and manoeuvring today from Miss Yee-Haw (sorry, 'Lady' Yee-Haw), it seems the cardboard cut-out will be visiting the concerts after all. Hopefully with a cork or something on top of that spear sticking out of its head. It'll have somebody's eye out otherwise! Law suit! Let's see how wealthy those wealthy husbands actually are! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:03 pm

Evidently, much ado about nothing. Neutral When the end result is the same as before the beginning.


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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:39 pm

I hear there was an actual "pout thread" over there concerning this. True??----- Suspect silent
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:54 pm

There is nothing to stop anyone at all from bringing that thing to the concert tour. People can then participate as they wish.


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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:01 pm

Oh, my!! The drama!!------ Shocked Popcorn
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:14 pm




Sometimes it gets to be too much. !!
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:02 pm



So much for confusion..... and gimmicks.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:17 pm

Wow! The mysterious Kalua returns to the forum after an absence of YEARS to comment on the Scotland vote.
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PostSubject: Re: [PUBLIC]: Flat fans on parade   Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:36 pm

Robert the Bruce wrote:
Wow!  The mysterious Kalua returns to the forum after an absence of YEARS to comment on the Scotland vote.
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