Spying vs Information

This was tweeted

Rachael Patey‏@RachaelPatey
Just seen #subo go into sainsburrys in stockbridge, #standard

Stockbridge seems tp be in Edinburgh.

When is it spying and when is it OK to post info about Susan Boyle?? Maybe there should be some clarification before some fans motives are questioned, over and over again and accusations are aimed at other forums.

It is OK at SBFII to report every tweet about Susan's movements. That is news. But, if a DGJer reports a sighting of Susan ANYWHERE, it is spying since all evil comes from here!

fudgemeister wrote:

It is OK at SBFII to report every tweet about Susan's movements. That is news. But, if a DGJer reports a sighting of Susan ANYWHERE, it is spying since all evil comes from here!

Silly me, I forgot that part.

Oh dear, the stalkersquad were probably camped outside the wrong supermarket! They won't like that!

bernicer wrote:

This was tweeted

Rachael Patey‏@RachaelPatey
Just seen #subo go into sainsburrys in stockbridge, #standard

Stockbridge seems tp be in Edinburgh.

When is it spying and when is it OK to post info about Susan Boyle?? Maybe there should be some clarification before some fans motives are questioned, over and over again and accusations are aimed at other forums.

I think the good neighbors in Blackburn are doing what comes naturally. Of course they keep an eye on Susan and who comes and goes from her houses, and we should be glad they do. The police and even private security can't be watching all the time. Accusations of "spying on fans" are flying, and that's incredibly stupid, even for SBFII. Strangers will get noticed in Blackburn. Especially when five of them stand on Susan's doorstep and sing Happy Birthday. Not exactly low-profile, is it? And has it ever occurred to anyone that Susan might have already had company inside? That they were interrupting a private visit by--don't freak out over this--someone else? Some non-fan, normal, previously invited visitor(s) there to celebrate Susan's birthday with her? I suppose when fan egos are in play, the usual standards of propriety and consideration get left in the dust. Beyond the original impulse--an understandably fannish thing, beyond the snarling and backbiting on that viper-pit of a fan site--hardly a new phenomenon, the self-righteous indignation on display is out of touch with reality. Yo, people! Get your heads out of your asses and look around. You are not the center of Susan's universe!

Yup, it looks like they were at the wrong supermarket!

So we are the evil ones. What about the birth certificate fiasco? Spying? Go read the threads in the early days of a nearby male neighbor and the things he did to get close to Susan.

fudgemeister wrote:

So we are the evil ones. What about the birth certificate fiasco? Spying? Go read the threads in the early days of a nearby male neighbor and the things he did to get close to Susan.

Oh, honey, those threads were shredded during Historical Rewrite III. Classified info, dontcha know. I don't think we're supposed to even know about it.

Yes, I've heard from a reliable source that the down to earth, somewhat hard nosed Blackburners laugh at the subo-stalkers behind their backs. They might seem friendly but they think the stalkers are a weird lot and a great source of hilarity. And yes, they know when they are around and that's where the info comes from - they don't need to spy because the stalkers are so obvious to them.

Emmylou wrote:

Yes, I've heard from a reliable source that the down to earth, somewhat hard nosed Blackburners laugh at the subo-stalkers behind their backs. They might seem friendly but they think the stalkers are a weird lot and a great source of hilarity. And yes, they know when they are around and that's where the info comes from - they don't need to spy because the stalkers are so obvious to them.

By now everyone who lives in BB knew it was Susan's birthday that day. Why wasn't the entire town at her front door singing happy birthday?

Uh, maybe they knew she was tired and needed some time by herself? That's what most people would assume and have the respect to stay away unless invited. Some people clearly don't care about that however - they wanted to see Susan in her house and thought up a good reason to go.

I love that there's such outrage over the neighbors in Blackburn who apparently reported the incident of "visitors" to Susan's house on her birthday. The anger is not over the imposition on Susan but on those who reported it. When all else fails, blame the messenger, not those who did the deed.
And apparently even THAT wasn't enough to satisfy the need to switch blame. Somehow the members of this forum get to share some of the blame for this incident, though none of us were there in Blackburn nor did we make any accusations on the thread at SBFII. But according to a moderator there,---we're somehow guilty, just the same:

Originally Posted by A SBFII member:
XXX, I don't know where the rumor that a group of fans were spying on Susan Boyle ever started? This is a rumor, I might add. Fans visiting Susan Boyle is a fact.

A Moderator's response:
Oh, I see a rumour. Had no idea that was the case. Then, how XX did the story get fed hand over hand that SBF11 fans knocked on Susan's door and was dragged on until the DJGers got their pound of flesh; a confession of a private matter.
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("Confession??" Well, there,.....someone finally said the word.)

Our "pound of flesh??" Really?? I didn't realize we were over there pulling strings and manipulating that discussion. And yet, somehow we're always the convenient scapegoat to blame when things get rocky over there. I'm amazed that they have imbued us with the power to influence what goes on in their forum. As they continue to demonstrate, it's easier to blame others for your own failings than to take responsibility for them yourself.

One of the things that really gets to me about these so-called fans is that they haven't paid any attention to some of things she wrote about in her book. Several times she mentions walking and after her mother died it is what she did to cope and relieve some of the strain. She mentioned being in different countries for concerts and how she would like to go for a walk to clear her brain. I do this myself and do it a lot when stressed. So after touring and being very tired, I have a feeling Susan would have liked to go for a relaxing walk in her own neighborhood, but because of the roving, stalking fans she didn't dare.
These are people who carry on all the time about how they love her, but yet it seems their needs come first.

donaha wrote:

One of the things that really gets to me about these so-called fans is that they haven't paid any attention to some of things she wrote about in her book. Several times she mentions walking and after her mother died it is what she did to cope and relieve some of the strain. She mentioned being in different countries for concerts and how she would like to go for a walk to clear her brain. I do this myself and do it a lot when stressed. So after touring and being very tired, I have a feeling Susan would have liked to go for a relaxing walk in her own neighborhood, but because of the roving, stalking fans she didn't dare.
These are people who carry on all the time about how they love her, but yet it seems their needs come first.

Great post, donaha! Susan must have felt trapped with the vultures circling. A bit insulting of them not to have read her book and paid attention to what she says. Maybe they don't read.

Thanks Skywriter and Wabbit.

I think Little Tiger sounds more like this:

skywriter wrote:

I think Little Tiger sounds more like this:

Yeah, their playing doubles today.. I think they better watch out for a smash hit.. that is tennis terminology and I love playing doubles and I love tennis.

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

WAMcKinley wrote:

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

Except I'm busy plotting world dominance! I wouldn't have the time! Ignore away!

Agreed, WAM. Those posts and thought processes behind them are much appreciated. The bottom line here is, yes, we're all fans of Susan Boyle, and yes, we take different approaches to that, but this should not negate anyone's individual or collective regard and interest in Susan, her vocal abilities and her career.

WAMcKinley wrote:

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

Wam I agree with you...

WAMcKinley wrote:

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

Yes, I also wish to express my thanks. I really do appreciate the efforts of several members. I started to post there, but figured it wasn't worth another questioning of my loyalties or motives.
I'm still recovering the last attack, so for the time being I'll just lurk.

bernicer wrote:

WAMcKinley wrote:

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

Yes, I also wish to express my thanks. I really do appreciate the efforts of several members. I started to post there, but figured it wasn't worth another questioning of my loyalties or motives.
I'm still recovering the last attack, so for the time being I'll just lurk.

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Awww, Bern. Anyone with the Lone Ranger as an avatar can't possibly be too much of a trouble-maker. Tonto's got your back!!

WAMcKinley wrote:

bernicer wrote:

WAMcKinley wrote:

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

Yes, I also wish to express my thanks. I really do appreciate the efforts of several members. I started to post there, but figured it wasn't worth another questioning of my loyalties or motives.
I'm still recovering the last attack, so for the time being I'll just lurk.

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Awww, Bern. Anyone with the Lone Ranger as an avatar can't possibly be too much of a trouble-maker. Tonto's got your back!!

I don't think Tonto is a member there.

bernicer wrote:

WAMcKinley wrote:

bernicer wrote:

WAMcKinley wrote:

Very thoughtful and sensitive posts made today about this forum by both Maya and Monkeytech----and very much appreciated. If there were others, I'm sorry I wasn't made aware of any but those two. I want to thank them both for what they had to say---and the tone in which it was said.

Yes, I also wish to express my thanks. I really do appreciate the efforts of several members. I started to post there, but figured it wasn't worth another questioning of my loyalties or motives.
I'm still recovering the last attack, so for the time being I'll just lurk.

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Awww, Bern. Anyone with the Lone Ranger as an avatar can't possibly be too much of a trouble-maker. Tonto's got your back!!

I don't think Tonto is a member there.

We know you have a few kimosabes over there.

Uh oh, they may be right! Just found this in my pocket!

Boss, I really didn't guess that from the ongoing conversation here...

Were you jailed as a prevention?

Wabbit wrote:

Admin wrote:

Uh oh, they may be right! Just found this in my pocket!

weally.. isn't dis dangwous to do someting like dat.. ??

No, Wabbit, it's a simple matter of multitasking.